This is a fascinating conversation, taking some 100 minutes, dealing primarily with the pros and cons of lock-downs. That is why I selected it for a post. It might be of little interest to readers, so it is not necessarily highly recommended viewing unless one wants to be transported into the realms of high intelligence and high commonsense, if there is actually any such thing.
So, if only for posterity, and a bit of self-indulgence, it is offered as an example of the existence of a pinnacle of intelligence and personal human achievement. In my estimation, becoming increasingly rare.